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[ ♪ music ♪ ] >> welcome to "the young turks," i'm the other half of the largest online news show in the world, and tonight i'm here to show you why. yes, it's go time, but it is also my time. [ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> on today's show we have some very important topics, but one of the most important topics is the assault on women's rights and reproductive rights. now it's the 40th anniversary of roe v. wade, and the republicans have a very perverse way of showingshowingshowing it. throughout the show to help me talk about these issues is
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michael shure our epic politics man, and also michael hastings, thank you for joining us, gentlemen. >> of course, thank you for having me. >> of course. >> before we get to our conversation let me tell you what the issue is today with reproductive rights. we're seeing stories and reports from the national advocates of pregnant women that indicate that women who are pregnant are being criminalized and prosecuted if they lap happen to have a miscarriage or deliver still born babies. this is a story very hard to believe, and it's something that really caught my attention about a year ago when i first saw initial reports. but a perfect example is be be shea who is a woman from indiana who is extremely depressed. she had a moment of desperation. she took rat poison to commit suicide because her significant other abandoned her and unfortunately she was pregnant
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at the time. she survived her attempted suicide but unfortunately her fetus did not. as a result indiana prosecutors went after her. let's hear her tell her own story. >> i just was released from county jail, and i face murder. i want to fight this case. i have a really good legal team. the legal system which make me feel like it's a big disappointment in just the other side, i want to prove to my daughter, their mother is not a murderer. >> now this is not an isolated case. as ridiculous as this sounds this is happening in multiple situations. in fact, the national advocates for pregnant women found that between 1973 when the ruling on roe v. wade was made and 2005 there were 413 cases criminal and civil cases against women who were pregnant who had
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miscarriages or abortions. in louisiana a woman was charged with murder and spent a year in prison before she could prove that miscarriage was the result of a medication that her doctor gave her. there was another case in wisconsin where a woman was the subject of involuntary testing and placed in custody after she wanted to deliver a baby via midwife. the doctor was not in favor the way she wanted to deliver her baby, so he thought it would be a great idea to let authorities know that she needed to to be in custody and have testing she didn't want to undergo. information this impacts the minority and minor groups the most. 52% of cases included african-americans. 72% included low income individuals, 69% were under the age of 30, and 56% lived in the south. now joining us to talk about this case is kathy spelar, the executive editor of "miss" magazine and executive vice
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president of the feminist majority foundation. thank you for joining us. >> well, thank you for covering these issues. >> is this basically a back door person hood issue. you see state legislators trying to pass person hood legislation but it hasn't bad. are they going after it this way any way. >> what you're seeing in these states more of the focus in punitive legislation instead of making sure that pregnant women have the resources they need to carry pregnancies to term if that is their decision to have access to reproductive healthcare and have the support systems in place in cases where poor women or young women if they choose to have the pregnancy go to term, that they have those kinds of resources. everything from baby care to early child care programs and
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child care programs, these are all the states that have penalized women instead of giving resources to carry pregnancies and be successful mothers. >> why is it that we're seeing these instances in the south and why is it that members of the republican party are so obsessed with destroying a woman's reproductive rights. >> it's tragic because the republican party at the time of roe v. wade even into the early 8080s, it changed under president reagan was a party of reproduct i have rights and. planned parenthood boards, the idea was to give reproductive services ranging from healthcare healthcare, safe abortion, prenatal care and safe childbirth. all of that changed starting
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with ronald reagan and it has become worse and worse. the party has left women out of this equation. very anti-abortion and now anti-birth control. we are now fighting for access to contraception both republican members of congress and in the state legislatures that are dominated by conservative republicans in where you have these conservative right wing republican governors, some of the worst laws being passed now to punish women and to deny access to reproductive health care. >> it's unbelievable. let me bring in my epic politics man because i want to know whether or not this will ever be a winning strategy for republicans. >> what kathy is saying is true. when you look back at what ronald reagan did and the affect he had on later generations on republicans, it was almost as if they wanted to adopt his doctrine going forward. it worked for a while. even today we see a meeting in williamsburg, virginia, talking about changing their messaging.
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if wasn't worth talking about rape. they're starting to learn that it's resonating with a few people in a specific party. if they see repeated losses at the ballot box that's all they care about and that's what it comes down to. >> hastings, let me play devil's advocate. sometimes we can live in our own progressive bubble and maybe we're not living to people who are making reasonable arguments that are pro-life. do you think there are individuals who are genuinely pro-life and genuinely care--the problem i have-- >> oh, for sure. look, you run--look i've had the opportunity to interview a lot of these people. i remember cover mike huckabee, and pro-life and his constituency. you have to ask yourself, you have to look at a lot of these pro-lifeer view abortion as the
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biggest moral crime of our lifetime akin to slavery. you're really dealing with a hardcore element that comes out to vote. that's why the republican policies have not shifted very much. they're playing to this base. >> they seem to control women. is there an element of that as well or genuinely about taking care of life. also keep in mind a lot of times after these babies are born the republican party is, oh, if you're poor, pull yourself up from the bootstraps. we don't want to deal with that. >> that's the thing. the republicans believe in life from the moment of conception until birth and then forget it. if they're really concerned about reducing the number of abortions. that is to increase access to the most effective forms of contraception and have comprehensive sex education.
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not where you have republican domination of the state legislature. in countries very similar to the u.s. all over the world where access to contraception is thorough, you have a very much lower rate of abortion. abortion is because contraception has not been accessible or it has failed. that's what we should be doing. yet you see the republican party cutting off access to contraception. in texas they're cutting off planned parenthood because they're not going to give them state funding for contraception. it's ridiculous. for every dollar you spend on contraception you save $4 for other health wear costs down the line. it surely should be the normal republican position, and you see the party and leadership denying access to contraception. >> the republican party refuses to accept the numbers. in 2011 alone we spent $11 billion on unwanted
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pregnancies in this country. it's a problem we could easeily solve with comprehensive sexation and accessible contraception for any woman who chooses to use it. what does the future look like for women's reproduction rights. i want to see if there is any chance that they can overconcern roe v. wade. i'm scared because when you look at all the difference laws that restrict abortion access, the republicans are achieving what they want. is there a possible to overturn roe v. wade. >> it is a possibility. we have a supreme court that is divided on these question, and there are laws that have been passed around the country that will eventually go before the united states supreme court. that's why this election was so important. if there are any vacancy on the supreme court board it is
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important to appoint pro-choice justices, and we have to keep fighting. especially in these states that are dominated by these ultra conservative right wing legislatures and governors where they're passing these horrific laws in an tempt to close down access. right now in the state of mississippi there is one clinic in the entire state serving one is one of the poorest populations with the highest maternal mortality rates in this country. that governor and that legislature is determined to close that only clinic. we've got to be vigilant. we've got to fight. we have public opinion on our side by the way. even in a state like mississippi. we beat the person hood initiative 58-42. we beat the public. what we don't have are the governors and state legislatures and governors. we have to keep fighting. >> kathy spillar. thank you for coming on. i really appreciate it.
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>> ana: 4.3 million people watched oprah's interview with lance armstrong where he admitted to doping. you know there is a second part of the interview that you can watch tonight. let's watch a quick snippet of that. >> tomtomorrow was it just you being your cocky arrogant jerk self for you to take the picture of you lying with all the jerseys? >> what is next for lance arm strong. >> a lot of people think you're doing this interview because you want to come back to the sport. is that part of the reason? what do you say to the millions of people who are wearing live strong bracelets, those millions
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of people who believed? >> there are a million things to say about the interview that aired last night. joining us is sam, a contributor to espn magazine. thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> ana: and of course we have our rowdy friends, michael shure and michael hastings. they'll have their commentary on the topic as well. >> i love cycling. this ruined it for me. >> i like recycling. [ laughing ] >> ana: all right, let's get right to it. because there are so many great videos from last night that we can dissect, and the first one of course is lance armstrong admitting to doping. >> yes or no, did you ever take banned substances to enhance your cycling performance? >> yes. >> yes or no in all seven of your tour de france victories did you ever take banned substances or blood dope?
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>> yes. >> in your opinion was it humanly possible to win the tour de france without doping? search times in a row. >> not in my opinion. >> keep in mind this is the man who demonized anyone who ever accused him of doping prior to this interview and prior to admit to go actually doping. so there are a lot of questions about whether or not this is a p.r. stunt what is his motives what is he trying to achieve? if it is going to be a p.r. stunt, then i think his next answer was not a good one. let's take a look at that. >> my cocktail, so to speak, was only epo not a lot. transfusions and testosterone. which in a weird way i justified it because of my history with testicular cancer, and surely i'm running low.
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i wanting to you sam, and get your thoughts of what he said in that portion of the interview. it sounds like he's making a little bit of an excuse for himself. >> yeah, that was a sympathy play. the whole thing with oprah is a sympathy play. oprah will put her reassuring hand on her arm and then hit record and be on her way. with that she did a fantastic job. yeah, lance is working for sympathy. he'll take as much as he can get. the greatest asset of our time, possibly of any time cheated, a fraud. then he lied about it for 15 years. ale spend the rest of his years saying i'm sorry. he's going to spend the rest of his days in court. he's going to take every little cookie he can get. >> ana: so the question is why now? why is he doing this now? and oprah did ask a great follow up where she mentioned that it's
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strange coming forward and admitting doping after denying it for such a long time. let's take a look. >> oprahoprah:for 13 years you brazenly denied everything that you just said. why now say you did it? >> that's a great question. that's a logical question. i don't know that i have a great answer. i will start my answer by saying this is too late. it's too late for probably most people and that's my fault. >> ana: hastings thought go. >> that was a real nixon moment there. i have a question for sam. how complicit do you think nike was enabling armstrong with
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this and on some level he's doing i'm doing all this great stuff with cancer research and that justified the lie in his mind. >> i think he's worth $100 million, if i recall, and he'll be worth considerably less when it's all said and done. but you know, i think we're all complicit. i think the writing was on the wall, and we all chose not to look at it. i'm the representative of the sports press so i'll take that hit. we're as responsible for this as anybody. we wanted to believe that superman could fly. we wanted to believe in our hero. americans are optimistic. >> ana: that's interesting. you're willing to take part of the blame but i don't think he should. the people he's close with, betsy andrew, the wife of another cyclists that he was good friend with. when she called him out on it, he demonized her to no end.
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slammed her calling her crazy. it made her life a living hell. part of the problem was he never really responded to that or apologized to her or the countless other people he slandered in the interview at all. betsy andrew is in the next video. let's see what she has to say in that interview. >> you had said you were furious watching that interview. what was it that you were expecting to hear. >> i want to give credit to lance because what he did admitting that he was a fraud and cheat all those years is a huge big step. he took the first step but it all started with where he admitted to using performance-enhancing drugs and he wouldn't step up to the plate and admit that it happened. this is where it all started. it was really disappointing personally that he didn't admit to that. >> ana: he's willing to throw people under the bus even if its people he's close with. i can't blame sports reporters
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for not knowing. he was adamantly denying it again and again. what is interesting even now he has come out and he said that he did do doping, he did cheat he still has his supporters, it's kind of incredible. >> he'll always have his apologists. cancer makes him a sympathetic figure. you know, he has done a lot for charity. and i hope live strong carries on. but they took a big hit. his fans are hurting. a lot of my colleagues staked their reputation to this man. we carried his craft. we shoveled it with it for him. and in a sense thank you for letting us off hook, but we're as much to blame as everyone. >> was everybody doing this? was everybody doping? is that the case at the time?
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>> if you're asking me, i believe it was very widespread. >> cenk: now he's saying that he's planning on outing other cyclists that are doping, which i want to get everybody's thoughts on that. in my opinion that is beyond shady. we had an discussion on this on the online show, jayar said yes if there are others doping he shut out them. >> a lot of people have been doing that to him over the years, and he has been deflecting that criticism. yeah, armstrong did it. yes, armstrong did it. now it's a turnabout for him. it's also the thing that suffers here is the sport itself. what michael just and sam he leveled the playing field. the entire playing field was doing what he was doing and then the sport is sullied almost as badly as armstrong himself. >> ana: we have to take a break. when we come back michael shure
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and michael hastings will join us with rabble rousing hastings getting in trouble with the press because of rahm emmanuel. >> on what? >> on the interview. here's my view. circumstance & the inside analysis. the presidential inauguration this monday morning at 10 eastern only on current tv.
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[ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> ana: welcome back to "the young turks"." michael shure and michael hastings joins us again for this segment. this segment is about michael hastings mr. rabble rousing. >> it's about emanuel.
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>> it turns out you're trying to be mr. thompson. that's what breitbart is saying. yesterday we were talking about your interaction with rahm emmanuel after a fundraiser, and you talked about that on tyt an exclusive here and breitbart saw it and didn't like it. they said the following. so michael hastings, it looks like you got a michael hastings a buzzfeed reporter and one a little too desperate to be seen as the next hunter thompson. hastings explain yourself. >> i miss mr. breitbart. yeah i could have used a lawyer a number of steps along the way but i think there was a lot of interest in this story today and i think that's a positive thing. you have a major american public officials, and it was good to get it on the record. >> ana: well, just for the audience members that didn't get the chance to see what we talked about yesterday let's give them
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a little recap. >> michael hastings from rolling stone. what did you tell these guys to raise $30 million in two months. could you have raised a billion dollars on your own this year. what's the pitch you made to the donors. >> no, you weren't doing that in here. oh. >> that's off the record what i did there. >> okay, that's cool. that's cool. >> here's my view, you did it to stanley mcchrystal. >> i didn't screw stanley mcchrystal. >> i wrote the story. >> i know you did. >> that was off the record. >> i got it. >> ana: that was fascinating. >> i got t and luckily we're proud to have ted mcclellan from chicago, a veteran political journalist who wrote this column who went through some other people who had similar run-ins with the mayor of chicago.
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so ted give me your take on what you're thinking about what inspired you to write this column and what the mayor's relationship is with the chicago press has been? >> well, i was thinking you could be the latest member of the support group called "rahm emmanuel bullied me." i have an article called rahm emmanuel beat me up written by someone who was ten years old and go over to their father's house, who was a pediatrician for shots. and while waiting for the shots rahm emmanuel would body slam them to the ground. he writes in here, it was common knowledge that they were bullies, hyper intelligence bullies, but bullies nonetheless nonetheless. >> ana: as a public official, how does he think that this kind of behavior is acceptable? what is it about him that thinks you know what, i can treat people this way, i can
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assault a reporter and i'm not going to face any consequences for it. >> he has been compared to lyndon johnson i think lyndon johnson used profanity strategically and as a bully tactic. when you're in a position of rahm emmanuel and you swear at somebody you can swear at them but they can't swear at you. just the fact that you're using profanity. one of the cases where this came up, this was in jonathan aldridge's book "the promise" take your f-ing tampons out and tell me what you have to have to say. that came up when a former senator wanted to make his temperament an issue. she said, no tampons. let's talk about tampons. this is not about tampons but how women would feel about someone who does that in the workplace. so i would say that it lowered the tone of the mayoral debates.
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>> after--sorry, after that the mayor grabbed me by the arm. his bodyguards came in. the question is has it been an affective management strategy in chicago? can you talk about the union strike, how did it go? how did it go when the mayor behaved this way? >> i would say no, because one of the most famous stories he was meeting with karen lewis president of the chicago teachers union. after she came out of the meeting he said at one point he said to you f-you lewis, and she later told a gathering of teachers that the mayor was a liar and a bully and she felt disrespected. one of the issues was that the teachers felt disrespected by the mayor. >> michael sure, itmichael shure it sounded likely you had a question. do you want to jump in. >> it's not really a question,
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but he was a poor choice, when looking for a comprise he was a bully and hearing about his childhood and how he was a bully as a kid. to draw a comparison to him and lbyj. not to excuse it but it was a different era of interaction and there wasn't many women and not much sensitivity on these issues. but now you see what rahm emmanuel does in modern politics and what he was trying to do to the chief of staffs and what he was trying to do as mayor and what he tried to do with michael, it's not going to work. >> and lbj he knew that he could use profanity to keep something out of the press. if someone asked me his reaction to a nixon speech. he said i know chicken s from
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chicken salad and he knew that wasn't going to be printed at all. whereas nowadays it is. he can't use profanity out of the press' eye the way lbj could. >> i'm going to drop a little paranoia, are you concerned about the mayor? are you concerned about his reports of different civil liberties that he is rolling back? are you concerned being a journalist in chicago? does this worry you speaking out like this? >> no, not at all. i tangled with richard marx, another one of mayor's generation. >> and a very good singer. >> yes. >> ana: we have a depressing segment on ptsd and the mental heat of our soldiers. we'll have that report.
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>> he seems to be unaware of the facts that i talked to him about, which concern me about his state of mind. >> staff sergeant bale served three tours in iraq where he suffered a traumatic brain injury. circumstance & the inside analysis. the presidential inauguration this monday morning at 10 eastern only on current tv. [ voice of dennis ] driving bonus check?
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>> ana: reporter bales is an u.s. soldier facing charges of murder in a military court after he allegedly murdered 16 afghani civilians mostly you women and children. this is extremely complex. we have more details on the story. >> staff sergeant robert bales is the suspect of a began
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civilian murder last weekend. >> he seems to be unaware of some of the facts i talked to him about which makes me concerned about his state of mind. >> attorney brown said staff sergeant bales served three tours in iraq where he suffered a trauma why can brain injury. he also witnessed a brutal attack on another soldier the day before the incident. >> he did not want to be deployed but he was deployed any way and he was diagnosed with ptsd. the mental health concern of our military is a big problem. it has been the topic of discussion for quite awhile now. the question is whether or not we're doing enough to solve this issue. these soldiers are going to war multiple times and is it really worth it? now let's look at the numbers very quickly. when it comes to the number of soldiers who have ptsd, because of iraq and afghanistan about
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103,000 to 336,000 might have been diagnosed. now the reason why i say might have been, the numbers are a little under reported, it could be much higher than that. also when it comes to the number or percentage of veterans seeking healthcare services, it's a new record for u.s. about 55%. so here to talk to us about this issue is author and writer for mother jones, thank you for joining us on this very serious topic. and of course michael hastings is also joining us. mac, first we talk about rape, sexual assault mental health issues within the military. is this a subject that our elected officials are paying enough attention to? >> well, it's funny you should mention--not funny but it's interesting that you should mention rape and assault the thing about ptsd is that you
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know there is this growing awareness about soldiers, but lots of members of the population can surf suffer ptsd. you can be trauma you traumatized in other areas besides the war zone. not only are they not getting enough treatment but their families are not getting enough treatment either. they need a lot of support having a traumatized person in the house. it can be traumatizing for kids and spouses and things like that. and people are just not getting the services that they need. >> ana: now michael hastings you've been an outspoken opponent of the wars we've been in. when you listen to the numbers what are your thoughts on this. >> i see it all the time. i'm in touch with active soldiers and they struggle
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through this every day. in reading mac's always excellent, superb excellent reporting is this idea that ptsd does not affect the veterans but it can affect their families. i wonder if mac can take us through that. >> sure, there is tons of research. it's not research, that's the most irritating thing about it. since children of the holocaust actually there has been tons of studies how having a traumatized person in your life and your family can affect pretty much everyone else. the children of holocaust survivors were just the beginning of this research. but we have tons of data and statistics from vietnam world war ii, wars from other countries, croatia the genocide of cambodia, there is no lack of literature reporting what these families are reporting they're impacted.
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being around a person who has nightmares flashbacks and can wake up screaming wake up swinging. it's totally unpredictable sometimes. have explosive outbursts. you can imagine not knowing what is going to happen and when it's going to happen and dealing with that in a spouse or in a father or mother, it can be traumatizing for other people who are around them. >> ana: so i mentioned how this is a very complex issue. one factor that i don't think is discussed enough is the fact that we usually just prescribe drugs to deal with these mental health issues. we look to the pharmaceutical companies as opposed to maybe doing talk therapy. first of all we probably should not be at war. we're in a perpetual state of war and multiple deployment is taking it's toll on members of our veteran and military, it's unacceptable.
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michael michael, what would you like to have done when it comes to elected officials. >> first of all they should issue a draft if they're going to send people to war all the time. it sounds drastic but the people who are suffering from this, the congress would not be so ready to go to war if it was unnecessary if there was a draft. that has proven out when there has been a draft. but in terms of realtime solutions they can do for this problem, legislating care for veterans admitting that depression and many of the with ptsd is a real disease that needs to be treated in realtime. that's the best place for congress to start that's the best place for anybody at the veteran's affairs department to get initiatives out on. >> ana: mac, what do you think? >> when you mention the pharmaceutical cocktails these veterans are on, i talked to military wives and they don't
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work and their husbands are taking 11 and 12 forms of medication. it's not the best way to treat ptsd and it still isn't and it's interesting that's the go-to for the v.a. in many cases. they need to implement more cost-effective frankly methods of dealing with it because what they're doing now just doesn't work. >> ana: mac mcclelland, thank you. >> are the veterans getting the help that they deserve? the veterans that you spoke to, are they getting the help that they deserve? >> despite the fact that many that i covered in the story are suffering from tbi, traumatic brain injury, and the symptoms were taking forever to be screened diagnosed in terms of that as well, no. they're in group therapy a lot of times as you can imagine not a lot of marines sitting around
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in a big group with other marines want to talk about how they feel scared all the time. i think this can be pretty grim and silent treatment plan that doesn't really help anyone. the guys that i was talking to about this particular story they had been in treatment for years, five, six seven years and they're not seeing any results yet. >> ana: mac, thank you for joining us today. i really appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >> ana: when we come back we're going to talk about some of the companies that you think is progressive, new balance whole foods. >> that word has an association with dictatorships like germany, spain, and italy, but what i know is that we no longer have free enterprise capitalism in healthcare. and stop joint damage. because enbrel, etanercept suppresses your immune system, it may lower your ability to fight infections.
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>> ana: welcome back to "the young turks." michael shure, michael hastings jayar jackson male-dominated
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panel joins us for the e block today. we're going to talk about a fun topic, kind of a fun topic companies that we typically italy of as progressive but turns out theory their ceos are not all that progressive. the ceo of whole foods was speaking to npr about the affordable care act. he's a big libertarian and he thinks the obama administration is totalitarian because that's what he indicated with the word that he used in the statement. technically speaking its more like fascism he's talking about obama-care. socialism is where the government owns the mean of production and in fascism the government doesn't own the means of production, but they do control it, and that's what's happening in our healthcare programs and these reforms. guys, i want to go you, michael shure, what are your thoughts on this? is obama a fascist? >> no, he's not. my favorite was when mackey went
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on to say, i'm sorry i didn't mean fascist. some people would associate that with hitler and mussolini i'm paraphrasing here. what else do you associate it with? it was totally out of line and it made me want to buy processed foot more. >> ana: i love that you mentioned him back peddling a little bit he released people were up set about it. the price of his stock did not drop at all which i found interesting, but he found that the criticism was too much to bear, so he went on fox news and said the following. >> there is so much emotional baggage with that term dating back to germany and spain and italy in world war ii, that's just a loaded word. very politically uncorrect. can't use it. now i just want to say i believe in free enterprise capitalism, the way we articulated in the
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book. >> what do you think michael hastings. >> you flow sir the whole fascism thing to avoid nazi, hitler, let's keep those out of the interviews about the president. he said you know, i've been able to talk about this in a way that's capital friendly. i didn't know you were going to talk about new balance. i had a pair of new balance sneakers, then i found out that the guy was some kind of nut and i haven't felt the same about them, and i bought a pair of nikes. >> ana: not that that's any better. >> but at least i'm not donating to karl rove. >> you'll learn a lot from backpedaled apologies. there is not many that is really there. emotional baggage, it is emotional and it's a
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inpolitically correct thing to say. i used the wrong word. i didn't mean it, i just said it wrong stupid, i keep revealing who i really am. >> ana: what is interesting about this guy. he has a book called "conscious capitalism." i had discovered that business and capitalism while not good was ethically political. heats hear about what he said about the cost and then we'll talk about his profit margin. >> they're adding additional costs onto it like we have to cover free checkups, can checkups have to be free, things like that to cover people up to age 26 even though they're dependent, and they're grown up. those aren't free. those cost things. >> ana: yeah, it costs things, so i'm sure that this is really really hurting his business. but if you look at his profit margin in the fourth quarter
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of 2012, this is just in the quarter, he made a profit of $120 million, and may i note that that was up from the $75.5 million he made a year earlier. so regardless of obama-care he is still making a ton of money. also let's keep in mind that the whole libertarian fiscal policy is oh let's make sure that the government leaves us alone and you can just depend on corporations and people to take care of one another. now, what do you think about that, michael hastings? i can't thing of anything that angers me more than that ridiculous naive notion. >> yeah, if the corporation is taking care of you it's a easy bargain. you pay us $40 and we'll give a checkup. if you don't want the government providing these services, and you don't want to take the responsibility, then you view the world in a free for all and i don't think it's very humane. and i think that's the shocking thing here.
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the fact that this guy came out and said this whole foods has a very crunchy granola brand to it and people shopping there would be shocked to learn of these views. >> ana: i want to talk to talk about people who seem to be crunchy granola but they're not. urban outfitters is pretty right wing, the ceo supported an anti-gay presidential candidate rick santorum, and of course that led to a boycott. another cop company is lulumelemon. they have ayn rand quotes from her book on their bags. and new balance chairman donated
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